College girls had to sign in and out of their women-only dormitories and had a curfew.
College students today have cars and apartments. Hardly seen in my day. Whether it is better or worse for education, I don’t know. They are not tied down to campus like they used to be. College is now a part-time thing for most students and classes and studying is a sideline from more important activities. Many have outside jobs. The academic week lasted through midday Saturday, and both academic semesters were weeks longer than they are now. These days professors and students conspire together to do as little as possible. Contact lenses were an entirely new thing. The university cafeteria provided a solid meal for 35 cents. There were still a lot of adult veterans who were students so the atmosphere was different than later. I imagine that was the reason that at Chapel Hill in 1959 I witnessed the last great “panty raid.” Most of us really attended lectures and really studied although we had a lot of hangovers. Professors were conscientious and knew their subjects. Many were old fashioned Southern liberals but were more interested in learning than ideological conversion. The imported carpetbag Communists were a minority but a definitely growing one. Like William Buckley’s good friend Allard Lowenstein. There is a lot of evidence these days that more intelligent students don’t believe their professors and just perform dreary regurgitation to get through with it. Most students in my day were still in-state, from traditional North Carolina families. Most of the imports were affluent New Jerseyans and basketball players from the northeast. Chapel Hill was reputed to be the most “liberal” university in the South. I remember distinctly in 1963 I was walking across a quad of dormitories with open widows. Walter Cronkite, “the most trusted man in America,” was reporting on the radio that rightwing extremists had assassinated Kennedy in Dallas. The response of students to the news was hearty cheering out the windows! Everybody I knew enjoyed hearing Jesse Helms broadcast from Raleigh every evening. In the late 60s rich Yankees began to arrive and stage “civil rights” demonstrations that mostly harassed hard working small business owners. The women also seduced black janitors, usually to their bewilderment. Carpetbag faculty and administrators multiplied rapidly from Great Society subsidies. They were mostly disdainful of the students and locals. My favourite evening place was a redneck bar where you could get a hotdog for a quarter and a draft Michelob for 35 cents. There were really a lot of top-rate and controversial speakers and a lively intellectual atmosphere among students who cared about such things. I heard Buckley, Russell Kirk, Gerald Ford, Malcolm X, Billy Graham, and the leader of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. My attempt to start something at the university where I later taught was received with complete indifference by faculty. Unchallenged liberal mediocrity was the preferred atmosphere. It was newsworthy a few years ago that the UNC monument to the students who were Confederate soldiers was defaced and torn down. There used to be a big portrait in the library of our distinguished alumni General James Johnston Pettigrew. CSA. In another building there was a beautiful mural of Tar Heels at Gettysburg, painted with real young North Carolina men as models. I don’t want to know what has happened to them. Chapel Hill was still a pleasant village in those days. Now it is an overbuilt, expensive city, surrounded by gated communities for retired Yankees who wanted to settle in a place with “culture.”
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General Kromwell
7/27/2023 07:50:40 pm
Yes, the 'brave' vets and 'badass' bikers did nothing as the Communists tore down Silent Sam. What was the point of foreign wars against communism when your own country turns into a communist hellhole? Don't even get me started about that pansy SCV leader of the Chapel Hill area at that time. Can't go into details here. What a wimp. I suppose he would have had to take a piss on July 3rd and miss the great charge...
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7/28/2023 05:59:43 am
In Virginia back then colleges were segregated, and there were very few that were coed. Dates were from Randolph-Macon Women's College, Sweet Brier, Hollis, Longwood, Madison, Radford, and Mary Washington. Men's schools were VMI, VPI, W&L, Hampden-Sydney, UVa. On the rare occasions when I was not on barracks confinement at VMI, our dates would have an approved place to stay uptown. Of course we had to be back in barracks at Taps, and those damned "Minks" at W&L would "late date" our dates. You could hear their fraternity parties thumping across the parade ground to torment us. Sometimes after the Guard Team made the "stick check" some cadets would "run the block" - slipping out of a window in barracks and slip back uptown. All different now in our Brave New World.
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:22:01 pm
What would be your first 5 sentences to this woman when she says 'you are a dumb, stupid, wrong, evil, racist, White Southerner...and VMI, USA, and Viet Nam are better without you???' Just curious...https://chass.ncsu.edu/people/smlee4/
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7/29/2023 04:22:04 am
Dear General Kromwell, I don't know, I reckon I'd say "It has been a pleasure talking with you, Ma'am." I can't think of five sentences to say to her. My Uncle used to say "Don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk."
WES
7/28/2023 07:22:21 am
As a student in college in the late 60's and early '70's, I saw my school, during freshman year, require male students to dine on campus in coat and tie but then, in following years, permit radicals to occupy and damage buildings on campus in order that they could protest the latest Cause-of-the Day. Since then, our colleges have continued, pretty much non-stop, to diminish in stature and demolish civility.
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 01:18:15 pm
Tenure should be taken away and college students should not be allowed to vote. That's my solution (partly).
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Clyde N Wilson
7/28/2023 12:06:31 pm
At Chapel Hill, the ladies were a limited number of upper class students. We poor freshman and sophomores had to go the 50 miles to Greensboro to the Women's College of North Carolina. Since barborously changed to UNC-Greensboro.
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:20:08 pm
What would be your first 5 sentences to this woman when she says 'you are a dumb, stupid, wrong, evil, racist, White Southerner???' Just curious...https://chass.ncsu.edu/people/smlee4/
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:32:10 pm
Please let me ask you a sincere, heart-felt question, Dr. Wilson. Before I do, please know I am a sincere admirer of you and loathe the day the LORD takes you away from us down here on Earth. I notice you have an aversion to Calvinism. I wholly understand people's loathing the Puritans and what Yankees did to the rest of America. But here's my question: Why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Why such a distaste for 1st and maybe 2nd generation Puritans in America, when they are not the secular Puritans who waged war on the South and even now attempt the genocide of the Southern people? There's not much of a difference between the early Puritans and Bible believing Baptists. Is your problem with these Puritans or their beliefs because their apostate descendants would wage war on the South, or is it because you disagree with some Bible belief? I'm asking these questions out of sincerity. I'm not your enemy. You know who I am. Truthfully, I wish you would write more. But you have given us more than what we deserve...
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:16:47 pm
Look who teaches 'Civil War' at North Carolina State University...https://chass.ncsu.edu/people/smlee4/
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David R
7/28/2023 12:26:17 pm
I spent a number of years at the university in Chapel Hill during the late 80s-early 90s as a research technician and graduate student and then again from 2002-2011 as a research associate. Though highly liberal and already unwelcoming to a degree to any "non-liberal" viewpoint, the change that occurred between my first tenure on that campus in the 80s and the atmosphere of the early 2000s was astounding. All of the faculty that I knew well were ultra-liberal, if not downright communistic in their leanings. Indeed, so "liberal" is the campus and community, that last summer when passing through there I noticed that beneath the Stars and Strips flag at the US Post Office was a plain red flag, which I later looked up to find represents communism. Though I knew plenty of conservative people among the employees, if there were any truly "conservative" faculty in my circle, they kept their views to themselves. The department head in the office where my wife worked at UNC in 2016 declared an official day of mourning for the entire department on the day after Donald Trump's election, encouraging the staff to gather in a break room to commiserate, all on paid time. Needless to say, non-Hillary supporters felt anything but welcome after that.
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General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:36:06 pm
Let me ask you: Do they recognize their hypocrisy? Or is it one of those things where they say 'the fox is now in the henhouse, so we don't about free speech anymore?' I'm truly intrigued if they are truly ignorant or if they are honest and admit the whole 'free speech' thing was a lie to get into the hen house and eat us??
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David R
7/31/2023 06:51:09 am
I honestly cannot say for sure but I suspect (at least while I worked there) that much of it is borne of historical ignorance and aided by the fact our young people are no longer taught to think critically. I remember writing a letter in to the university newspaper in response to an attack against the memorial statue on campus to the students who had answered their State's call in 1861 (known as Silent Sam, which has now been infamously destroyed). I had argued that North Carolina and her sister Southern States had pursued a course of independence no different than that of their Revolutionary forebears. An undergraduate contacted me to argue the whole "it was all about slavery" narrative and then added that what the South did was illegitimate because other nations did not officially recognize the Confederacy. When I pointed out that our independence from Britain was declared without official recognition of other nations until well into the war, the student accused me of comparing apples to oranges and resulted to name calling.
General Kromwell
7/28/2023 12:42:18 pm
Wild Story...I can't tell you told me, but he was in the army jeep with the sheriff at UNC-Greensboro during the college protests of the 1960's. The jeep had a 30-caliber machine gun. The sheriff told them they had till the count of three to get out and quit occupying a college building in protest or he would open fire with the machine gun. At the count of three, no one had left. Therefore, on the count of three, the sheriff opened fire on the building with the 30-caliber machine gun. He didn't kill any students, but all the students ran from the building they were illegally occupying. They never occupied a building on campus again. Anyone else remember that story? Imagine that story in contrast to recent events....
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WES
7/28/2023 03:07:06 pm
My father was a General in the USMC. When he learned in the late '60's that students at my school were threating to burn down the ROTC building then on campus, he told the President of the school that every student making such threats should be expelled immediately. The President agreed wholeheartedly with my Dad...but neither the President nor any other official at the school did anything to any of the students. Since then, things have only gotten worse at colleges. There are now no Presidents at most schools who would openly agree with traditionally conservative parents on about any subject today.
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Perrin Lovett
7/28/2023 06:33:23 pm
Dr. W! i love these articles! You describe something not entirely dissimilar from MSU in the 70s. The muted Mississippi version of the effects of feminism, integration, and hippie "culture" were somewhat observable, but again, muted. There was a real sense of both education and community. Thanks to mom restarting as a freshman at 30ish, and thanks to tagging along for study sessions with her younger peers, I got an inside look at those all-female dorms and sorority houses. My, my, my, memories.
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Clyde N Wilson
7/28/2023 07:32:54 pm
General K. I have to say that all of our Confederate forebears blamed the attacks on them on Puritanism. I admit that the Southern Presbyterians were not bad. I am not qualified to discuss theology. However, I deeply believe that our Lord made a New Testament that emphasised the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. Puritans were led by the Old Testament rather than the New, a typical type of behaviour for crabby self-righteous "intellectuals." You will probably regard me as Arminian.
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General Kromwell
8/8/2023 12:13:34 pm
Thank you, Dr. Wilson for your kind response to my question. I've wanted that answer for a long time. Quite ironic that you and I would have been on different sides during the English Civil Wars, yet you and I both espouse traditional English liberties. Yet, we would have been on the same side during the American War Between the States. Are we consistent? Inconsistent? I think consistent. Although I believe, Parliament had the better argument against the King, I now understand better why you would have been a reluctant supporter of his during the wars.
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7/29/2023 03:55:04 am
Great post Clyde - can you trace the decline to the arrival of Frank Porter Graham?
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General Kromwell
8/8/2023 12:38:20 pm
Hey Bernie, I've often wondered that too. When did NC go off the rails? When did the commies first show up? To put it in more simpler terms. I just got done reading Nathaniel Macon's view on Education and religious test oaths. I'm a very big Macon fan and I have the privilege of hindsight, but I cannot disagree with him more on Education and religious test oaths. To his defense, I would have taken his stance at the time. However, the South's defeat in the War, the Immigration Act of 1965, and the current Communist attempt to commit genocide on the Southern people has hardened my views. I fear our refusal to stop the fox entering the henhouse has only made it necessary to ourselves having to use more Draconian policies to prevent this situation from ever happening again. I hate it. I am Nathaniel Macon and John Taylor at heart.
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8/8/2023 01:30:59 pm
Gen'l K - In the case of NC's university system the advent of leftist Frank Porter Graham signaled the end of the university system here as he brought in the leftists. In the architecture department at NC State he appointed Bauhaus afficianado Herr Kamphoefner as dean, who quickly fired all Ecole de Beaux Arts classical faculty and brought in flat-roof, no ornament instructors. One of his graduates designed the NC AIA Headquarters in Raleigh 10 or so years ago - it was voted "Ugliest Building in Raleigh by a pop tabloid there.
Clyde N Wilson
7/29/2023 05:01:33 am
Graham was a shallow opportunist extrovert without any scholarship whatsoever and began bringing in leftists and associating with all the national leftists of the time.
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General Kromwell
8/8/2023 12:21:51 pm
Dr. Wilson, let me ask you a very serious question. So, where do we go once regain our constitutional freedoms and defeat Washington? It's clear to me we can't go back to the sweeping protection of civil liberties. We let the fox in the henhouse. I'm a John Taylor of Caroline and Nathaniel Macon at heart. However, our enemies have made it clear they will use our defense of civil liberties against us!!! They've made us look like a bunch of damn Gomer Pyles on the crack pipe.
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AuthorClyde Wilson is a distinguished Professor Emeritus of History at the University of South Carolina He is the author or editor of over thirty books and published over 600 articles, essays and reviews Archives
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